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Windows Update over LS2004 with Content Filter
  Posted by  Steve Zerobnick  on Sunday, July 23, 2006 at 2:53:23 PM (EST)
Hi

Why it is impossible to get updates from windows update site, when using lansuite2004 and content filter?

Is there a special configuration?

-Steven
  Posted by Steve Zerobnick  on Saturday, July 29, 2006 at 5:19:56 PM (EST)
Is there a chance I will get an answer?
  Posted by Robert Smith  on Tuesday, August 01, 2006 at 2:36:05 PM (EST)
It works fine for me over http and nat. what is the error? did you search the MS knowledge base?
  Posted by Steve Zerobnick  on Tuesday, August 01, 2006 at 3:50:01 PM (EST)
Hi,

1) Do you use Content Filter?
2) NAT is enabled in the server, but I don't know exactly how to configure it at the client.

I saw these articles, and did every thing they say, still doesn't work.
http://secure.software602.com/kb/view.aspx?articleID=940
http://secure.software602.com/kb/view.aspx?articleID=834

(what is "Add the appropriate DNS server IP addres", "Change the 'Default Gateway' to use the 602LAN SUITE computer's internal ")

It there a way to know that NAT is working?
Why there is no simple (step by step) intruction for how to configure the client?
Can you please explain me how to configure the client, in a simple way?

-Steven
  Posted by Robert Smith  on Tuesday, August 01, 2006 at 4:32:04 PM (EST)
The log file will show "NAT: [stuff]" when NAT is working.

I'm not sure what you're getting at with simple directions. The Knowledge Base topics you pointed out are fairly straight forward for configuring NAT. It's basic Windows Networking. You might want to try looking at the nat section of the user manual. it starts at page 32...

http://download.software602.com/pdf/lns/2004/ls2004_manual.pdf
  Posted by Steve Zerobnick  on Tuesday, August 01, 2006 at 4:57:58 PM (EST)
Hi,

Well NAT is enabled, and both NIC are properly set, but there is no single "NAT" word in the log file.

I am the system administrator, so I do have "some" knowledge about windows networking.

I read both Knowledge Base topics and the manual long time ago, both of them are not too friendly, and too bad that there is no simple instruction, instead of "Add the appropriate DNS server IP addres".

Please note, that English is not my primary language.

  Posted by Steve Zerobnick  on Tuesday, August 01, 2006 at 5:01:29 PM (EST)
Hi,

Just wondering???

Maybe something wrong with the NAT because I use an ip range (in DHCP) for the internal computers from 10.10.10.x (while server is 10.10.10.101)
  Posted by Robert Smith  on Tuesday, August 01, 2006 at 5:21:15 PM (EST)
It tells you to use the appropriate dns and gateway addresses because this will generally be different for each installation. For example, my DNS servers I use for my ISP (Comcast) is completely different from the DNS servers used by some of my customers who use Bellsouth. If you don't know what to put in there, talk to your ISP, that's what they're there for.

As far as the gateway, as is stated in the documentation, this will be whatever your LAN SUITE server IP address is. The instructions suggest you use a 192.168.1.x for your IP addresses, with 192.168.1.1 being your LAN Suite server. So in this example, 192.168.1.1 would be the correct gateway to enter for your clients.

the IP might be a problem. Why are you using a Class A address space? Do you really need 4 million + IP addresses? It might be a good idea to re-number your network using the instructions provided on the site.

I still don't understand what you object to with the instructions. I don't know how they could make it any simpler for you other than to provide you with the DNS servers for your ISP, which obviously can't be done for a lot of reasons. There's literally hundreds of thousands of ISPs out there, you really can't explect Software602 to keep track of all of them, can you? Lan Suite is by far the easiest internet server there is to set up.
  Posted by Steve Zerobnick  on Wednesday, August 02, 2006 at 3:48:22 AM (EST)
Hi

I didn't mean that you give me the DNS adresses, I just ment that you give us simple - step to step instruction for how to set NAT at client, that all, just as you did with configuring email at the clients.

What about the fact that I don't see the NAT at the log, is it related to the fact that I use 10.10.10.x at the DHCP?

  Posted by Robert Smith  on Wednesday, August 02, 2006 at 2:17:12 PM (EST)
Like I said, I don't know how they could make it any eaiser. It's very straight forward to me, but then again, I've been a private consultant for about 10 years now, and was networking back in the day of vampire tabs and 10-base-2.

If you don't see nat in the log, it means no nat clients are actually hitting the server. You should configure your default gateway to point to the internal ip address of your lan suite server, which is whatever interface you have selected to be your "lan" interface. You might also want to try shutting off the firewall if it's enabled to eliminate the possibility that this is causing the problem. Also if Windows Firewall is turned on, turn it off.
  Posted by Steve Zerobnick  on Wednesday, August 02, 2006 at 2:42:27 PM (EST)
I configured one of the clients, just as you said, and no NAT in the log.

It's a Clean installation of Win XP Pro OS, works fine trough 602lan suite proxy server.

The client is configures this way:
In the first page of TCP/IP properties, under "General" tab, it is set this way:

1) obtain IP address automaticaly
2) Use the following DNS server addresses
---> Preffered DNS server: 192.114.47.4 (it's my ISP dns server - see http://support.actcom.net.il/support/main/quick.php)

in the Advanced TCP/IP settings, in "IP settings" tab, DHCP is enabled and the default gateway is the 602 lansuite server (10.10.10.101)

In "DNS" tab, the DNS server that is in use is the above number.

There is a "Check" on "append parent surfix..."
There is a "Check" on "Register this connection..."
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What else, because it is not working.

I even tried to not use the "proxy server" in internet explorer settings, and Nothing.

Did I do something wrong?



  Posted by Robert Smith  on Wednesday, August 02, 2006 at 2:58:34 PM (EST)
Disable dhcp for one. I bet you have dhcp set up incorrectly.

1. Assign a static IP address.
2. For gateway, use whatever the INTERNAL, LAN IP address is.
3. For DNS servers, use whatever your ISP has told you to use.

THE ABOVE IS THE ONLY CLIENT CONFIGURATION STEPS YOU NEED TO TAKE. As per the documentation, there is NO browser set up required. If you enter the correct information, it simply works. If it doesn't, then you:

a. Do not have the correct information entered in networking control panel of your clients (eg: using wrong interface or IP address for gateway).
b. Have not correctly set up NAT on the server side. Eg: you didn't designate the correct NIC for the LAN side or the WAN side of things.
c. Have some kind of program blocking the connection. Eg: you have a firewall, security software, or even some anti-virus programs blocking the connection.

It's really that simple.
  Posted by Steve Zerobnick  on Wednesday, August 02, 2006 at 3:11:41 PM (EST)
Hi

Thanks for the quick response, but sorry, again I can't understand your instructions:

You said "Disable dhcp for one", where? at the client or at the server?

You said: "For gateway, use whatever the INTERNAL, LAN IP address is", do you mean that I should write the internal IP address of the server?

When you said: "there is NO browser set up required", is that meand that I should Uncheck the "use proxy server.." in the client browser (it was enabled until now, since I used the proxy server), or leave it checked.

You didn't said nothing about the other TCP/IP settings, that I have made, should I delete it?

You see why I think there should be a "Step by Step" instructions with pictures (BTW, I am a system administrator for 14 years !!!)
  Posted by Steve Zerobnick  on Wednesday, August 02, 2006 at 3:55:15 PM (EST)
Hi again

I tried to do the NAT on different server with 602lansuite ( I am administrating some servers), and the result are very interesting.

1) this server don't have content filter
2) after I set all parameters, and uncheck the "use proxy" in IE options, I get NAT line in the log, but unable to browse the internet.
3) In the log, it's said something like NAT 0002 Route 3, and that is.

I am desperate, I think I will move to hardware based NAT.
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